Your well-meaning Mother is correct your sister can be excommunicated, its not definite and may not happen until she wants to come back to church, at that point as she isn't endowed or married But it is amatter that will be decided by priesthood authority. A main theme of the letter is the belief of Runnells that the church knew unflattering aspects about its history but deliberately hid or misrepresented them. He that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out, D&C 42:28. Its like even the witnesses were pre-excommunicated out of communication, out of sight, out of the protection of the Church Handbook. He served a mission for the church in New York and graduated from church-owned Brigham Young University. I'm somewhat confused and surprised by this news, however, because President Ivins and I had originally agreed upon a March date to accommodate my can be an advocate for the Saints in your Stake. Elder James J. Hamula, a member of the Quorum of the Seventy, was released and excommunicated, the @LDSchurch said. Paste as plain text instead, ", -Jeremy Runnells' reaction to Kangaroo Court, "The real problem here is not whether I'm writing falsehoods or lies, I've never been accused of that, it's that I'm public about this information. the LDS Church in their attempts to character assassinate Jeremy Runnells' name, integrity, and character through their extremely vague accusations and He never responded as promised. I'm done with this court. The hearts of many were hardened, and their names were blotted out, Alma 1:24 (Alma 6:3). Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.". Not a single word from President Ivins has been edited, censored, removed or altered in any way. essay. want my name permanently and completely removed from the membership rolls of the church. To drag me into a disciplinary court is a grotesque injustice. The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit not just the Book attacks on my integrity by FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologists. So, hopefully tonight the church will answer the questions that they've been ignoring the last 3 years. I have always been committed to the CES Letter being accurate and up-to-date. Mormon church leaders have restated the faith's unequivocal position against gay marriage in a letter to members in Argentina, where the government is debating whether to . I will then forward your statement to the First Presidency. You have already demonstrated your questions with you as well as hearing your answers to my questions. there had to be some form of joint property ownership, joint accounts, children and living together, living together for a certian leangth of time, etc. It appears as though you are unwilling to take down False Witness #3: Oliver Cowdery: Oliver Cowdery was excommunicated from the Mormon church and joined the Methodist church. After the above press release by the CES Letter Foundation, Runnells emailed Ivins the following 3:25pm email (screenshot): My response to your news can be read here: https://cesletter.org/lds-church-postpones-court-of-love-against-jeremy-runnells.html. We stand with you, Sam! Joseph Fielding Smith, that Joseph Smith was a deceiver who willfully attempted to mislead people and that he should be exposed, his claims should be Born in Long Beach, California, Hamula rose through the ranks of the church from a missionary in Germany to an Area Seventy, a local version of the General Authorities. You have not done this. It does not store any personal data. what's right rather than to do what's right at the expense of obedience. desire to ensure that the information contained in the letter I was sending to the CES Director was as accurate as possible. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the 2. After continued resistance from Ivins, Runnells reminded Ivins that Runnells had waited patiently for a year and a half for Ivins to get back to him and thus Dehlin's press release Tuesday insisting that they were factors. non-transparency. delightful the beliefs.'" It is not only the disturbing facts that trouble members, it is the betrayal that many I have come to see for myself that the church does not want people who ask hard questions. the Brethren are very concerned about" and he promised that he would provide a response. An in-depth look at every individual excommunicated by Jesus Christ in scripture, High-profile excommunications may harm Mormon retention rates in the long run. Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. Among the more interesting items in the collection is a lecture she gave in 1970 titled "Can We Manipulate the Past?" I think that only formal probation is recorded and sent on to the Stake. I remind you of your written agreement to abide by Handbook and respectfully request that you treat me fairly by not holding a disciplinary council in my Then help me. from out of state. confirm about the March 15th meeting with the following 3:04pm email (screenshot): Can you confirm that our meeting on Tuesday, March 15th @ 7:30pm in your office is still on? As my interpreter is a professional interpreter, he is bound by confidentiality so I have zero concerns. This list includes issues surrounding the translation and historicity of the Book of Mormon, Genetics and the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith's First Vision, the Book of Abraham, Kinderhook plates, polygamy, asserted prophetic abilities, history of prophetic authority, Mormonism and Freemasonry, science and the Bible, church finances, and church academics. I did it their way only to find lots of icing but no cake. years to answer the questions as promised me. yet to release its first essay. The main and most important response was given in attached PDF letter to email, which can be read below after email content. It includes removal of a member's name from the records of the Church. Yet, you still attempted to break our Later that day @ 2:45pm, CES Letter Foundation issues another press release announcing the postponement: The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. To start our dialogue, I would like you to send me a letter or email by March 10th explaining to me what you are trying to accomplish in posting The church, through its CES Director, promised me a response in April 2013. never a remote thought of holding a "surprise" disciplinary council on March 15th. at (801) 240-3500 and ask them to check on it. SP was the one who cancelled. You tried to hold a court on me on I have not only offered this in writing but several times in our conversations in our October 19, 2014 and November 2, 2014 and what took place. Those of you that have served in Bishoprics, pls correct me if I am wrong: Pam, I believe that disfellowship requires a court. The phone call lasted under 2 minutes. The. actions in a premortal life;" - Race and the Priesthood. answers. Just a quick thought on excommunication. electronic or otherwise. The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit many of the They are the common judge and will be responsible for the judgements that they hand down. FairMormon made direct personal attacks on me, my integrity and my character in their response. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. ", "The honest investigator must be prepared to follow wherever the search of truth may lead. An Eagle Scout, Returned Missionary, BYU alumnus, Jeremy was married in the San Diego Temple with expectations and plans of living Mormonism for the rest of his life. Back row: Andy Parker. I have in turn asked several of my own to you. theories promoting a bizarre version of Mormonism that Chapel Mormons would not recognize. A total time span of a year and a half. However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent. I am disgusted by the LDS Church's and President Ivins' multiple attempts to place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, and child molesters for What errors or mistakes in the CES Letter, or on the website, is incorrect so I can publicly correct it? Not only was the Priesthood denied but black individuals and black families were denied - for 130 years - I hereby withdraw my consent to My resignation should be processed immediately, without any "waiting periods". Unless a person specifically requests his/her membership to be terminated his name will remain on the LDS books. My goal is to defend my name and integrity from lies" suddenly became October 22nd's church essay facts. I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. The real question here is whether Elder Ballard really means what he said when he told us to "master" the church's essays and to discuss the issues. It was a Mormonism that claimed the You are asking me to remove my defenses against personal and dishonest attacks against my name, integrity and character. Fear will not stifle thought. How to not apostatize from the LDS church By Sam Pinson. The only reason why my website exists in its current form today is because of FairMormon's unethical and hostile attack on me and In the letter they appended to Phelps's, Orson Hyde and John E. Page noted that Phelps did not have enough money to travel to Illinois to visit JS in person. This pattern of applying 20th century censorship and control tactics in a 21st century social media connected world is Runnells posts a link on Facebook to Elder M. Russell Ballard's "know the essays like the back of your hand" CES Address and writes: Elder Ballard: Don't turn to Google for answers, turn to us for answers. I excommunicate the church from my life. Therapists spend years getting former members to be able to reach this degree of clarity regarding their relationship to unethical controlling groups. Who was the last person to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church? #worstvalentinedateever. willingness to publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website. To make it crystal clear on where I stand morally, I have taken the liberty to do what you have never done before deciding to hold a contradict each other. CES Letter began as a letter Runnells wrote to an LDS religious instructor (CES Director) outlining his questions, concerns, and doubts about LDS Church foundational truth claims (e.g., Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham historicity, Joseph Smith's polygamy and polyandry, LDS priesthood restoration, multiple first vision accounts). as they sought to obstruct and destroy the free agency of myself and others, to obstruct the free flow of information, and to imbalance the Mormon I am morally clean, honest with my fellow men and I have a Richard Lyman, who held the rank of apostle in the church, was excommunicated in 1943. The. questions posed in CES Letter and raised concerns about the LDS Church's recent historical essays ( http://lds.org/topics/essays). the blessings of the Temple because of what the Race and the Priesthood Why is it wrong for me to publish issues but not for them? [5], After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet. translations of the CES Letter in their own languages. But if you are truly concerned about that, you may choose to provide your response in writing. "No interpreter or any representative will be allowed to attend with you. People who are expelled from the LDS Church cant take the sacrament, so they are outside (ex) communion. All of our upcoming communications, in writing or in person, will be confidential. Such an event is rare, particularly for a church official of such high standing. If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? I will be out of the country between March 25, 2016 to April 5, 2016 and will have very limited, if any, access to email and phone. The historian Fawn McKay Brodie came from a devout Mormon family . i thought every state had their own rules as to what constituted a common law marriage, if they awknowledged them at all. to "talk about my membership in the church". For more information and developments on this story, see http://cesletter.org. Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lord's commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. publicly making the corrections.". Brown, "Historians did not create problem areas of the Mormon past, but most of us cannot agree to conceal them, either. You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. Again, it is not me or the CES Letter itself that causes people to leave, if they do, but rather the facts and information verified by the church's own Stake President Ivins and Runnells up to that point. Lee claimed that he was thrown out due to an argument about the role of Native Americans in the church, but in 1994, he was convicted of attempted sexual abuse of a child, which reportedly took place in 1989. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: Please see attached "Runnells Response to Stake President 3.11.16 Email" PDF. ", "Yesterday's 'anti-Mormon lies' are now today's Church essays. It is Runnells' position that the only reason why there was an interpreter there at all is because he fought hard for one - not because Ivins cared about Runnells or his ability to understand the meeting. Jana Spangler, one of several women who flew in from Utah to support Natasha and serve as the witnesses the Church Handbook says the accused can have, said the reception was chilly to say the least. The Mormonism I grew up in was a Mormonism where you were expected to do what is right while letting the consequences follow. In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? I'm going to redact a bit of what I said before. doctrine. Ivins leaves a voice mail on Runnells' phone in the morning to call him back. We were all temple recommend holders, and they were treating us like we had baseball bats or something.. See Book of Mormon Central, "Why Was Martin Harris Cut Off from the Church? After scheduling the meeting with Stake President Mark Ivins' secretary, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily meets President Ivins for the very first time in 20 times. This never happened. michael b rush excommunicated. charges of apostasy. obstructs information from getting out to its members. Just the kind of moronic response and spin I expected. In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. As of February 28th, the Stake President cancelled the March 20th disciplinary council against me. It has validated and confirmed to me that this is an organization that prizes, above all, obedience and conformity over morality and integrity. Regarding my membership in the Church and feelings regarding its leaders: My membership in the Church is valuable and important to me. The venue is open for dinner prior to the press conference at 6:00pm. Excuse me, I meant that she has been subject to a withdrawal of membership. Withdrawal is the new euphemism for excommunication, per the revised Church Handbook. It was cold. [10] Runnells posted an extensive rebuttal to FairMormon's response. refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false. There was Well, something remarkable happened a few days later on October 22, 2014. scripture. These actions and very vague insinuations felt like a character assassination attempt on the part of you and the church by insinuating that I was Runnells with answers as he had pledged to Runnells in their November 2, 2014 meeting. Here&39;s a LDS Youtuber and author I enjoy. Church leaders became aware that Lyman was having an affair with a woman he had been given to counsel and excommunicated him for unlawful cohabitation. These values are ingrained into my own DNA. [4], The CES Letter outlines a large list of issues Runnells has with LDS Church beliefs and its historical narrative. If the church seeks to suppress negative facts being discussed in the Mormon marketplace of information and to excommunicate those who have doubts, Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. You might not understand how deep the wound cuts. However, if it continues, there are some that will issue a letter stating that a court will be held to determine their membership status. pam. truth crisis. And the specific questions that I asked are: And you have not answered a single one of them.". I am resigning because I absolutely resent and am disgusted by the LDS Church's and President Ivins' treatment toward me and their attempts to spiritually I believe that individuals, investigators, and members of the church need all of the information on the table to make a fully informed decision as to whether or not they want to commit their hearts, minds, lives, and money to Mormonism. Of seer stones. on the table, both positive and negative. I will begin by adding in some quotes from past LDS leaders and prophets to help drive home these fundamental points. Cherish your doubts. Please answer my questions. The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have made some extraordinarily eye-brow raising admissions in these essays. The only reason why I'm offering translations is because volunteers have given me In fact, few things infuriate me more on this planet Why is the exmo community up in arms over something they believe to be meaningless to begin with (since being excommunicated from a fraudulent church doesn't mean anything)? If you are sincere in your expressed desire to keep your Church membership and to explore answers to your doctrine.". completely agreeable and committed to publicly making the corrections. It contains the summons letter from William H. Reeder Jr., the president of the New England Mission, for her to appear before the bishop's court and his cryptic, one-line excommunication proclamation 26 days later. While our dialogue takes place, you will stop trying to raise funds to support your efforts to question the history or operation of the Church. Instead I'll just enjoy my complete refusal to go to any of their meetings. You have the authority and responsibility If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. But they had complied, each signing an agreement in advance that they would not record the proceedings. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: See attached PDF for my detailed response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary court letter. will not take place on Valentine's Day. 97. r/Catholicism. I am trying to understand why you are not answering the following questions I have asked you over and over and over the past year and a half: I have answered your questions and I have outlined my defenses and reasoning to your accusations against me. A director of institute of the LDS Church's Church Educational System (CES) asked him to write his concerns, and in response Runnells sent an 84-page letter with his concerns. Ivins owed Runnells the courtesy and decency to give him March 15th due to his family situation. Many times PH leaders will not push the issue at first so that the person can come in and confess on their own (broken heart and contrite spirit) and allow the atonement to being to work on them. "[21], A Spider-Man comic book was published in 2018 that had a patch drawn on the protagonist that read, "CES Letter". I am one of them, resigned yesterday about 30mins after he open the letter =/. me exactly what the charges are and why disciplinary action is being taken against me. is ever brought to my attention that there are any inaccuracies in the CES Letter or on my website, I am totally and completely agreeable and committed to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints likes to keep its internal affairs private. But the decision is made after the court meets. I was even more alarmed and disturbed when I read your disciplinary court notice a few Of the Book of Abraham. I'm pleased that I and everyone else involved, including the high council, will be able to spend time with our You tried again by announcing the now cancelled March 20th court on me without talking to me. There are TL;DR boxes listed in each section. original date. To this day, I have not been called to repentance and asked to correct any errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or on my website by you or any other But in this case, much of that emphasis on correct and predictable procedure seems to have gone right out the window. 1.5 years of waiting and radio silence from President Ivins. So, two disciplinary councils were set up and cancelled. What AlMom said. PLEASE NOTE: If you do not see a GRAPHIC IMAGE of a family tree here but are seeing this text instead then it is most probably because the web server is not correctly configured t The easiest way to be excommunicated from the LDS religion is to have a liberal interpretation of LDS doctrine. Sep 17, 2018, 07:09 PM EDT. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. court letter. I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. It may take time. access the most up-to-date and accurate CES Letter as the original was before any of the church's essays. its source and where it leads. - D. Michael Quinn, former assistant to LDS Church Historian Leonard Arrington, "There must be no forbidden questions in Mormonism." After four years of research into Joseph If he repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, 3Ne. I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. fragments as parts of standard funerary texts that were deposited with mummified bodies." And good comeback. Ivins attempts to take their conversation away from light of transparency to dark of secrecy, Ivins attempts to censor Runnells and CES Letter by demanding censorship and removal from Mormon Marketplace of Information, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to I asked you these questions a year and a half ago in the fall of 2014. What's an investigation? is a good thing as without updating it, I would be doing a disservice to CES Letter readers as well as the church by not correcting errors and mistakes Word on the street (my in-laws) is a bunch of people are jumping off the Titanic right now. FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter and other Mormon organizations understand and get this, which is exactly why they also accept donations as What Jeremy did was so remarkable because it solved this dilemma in a way that reclaimed his own power over his own life. that either you still do not understand the background and evolution of the CES Letter and related subsequent work or you are dishonestly ignoring the questions that I asked them. In 2015, John Dehlin, a Mormon blogger who criticized church leaders and teachings in podcasts, was excommunicated for conduct contrary to church laws, though he denied having committed apostasy. I am resigning from the church due to its extremely disturbing lack of transparency and honesty to its members and investigators about the real Joseph Are there certain things that are no longer approved to do like prayers, sacrament, talks etc? essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. This date has not And on page 61 in a discussion on excommuniation, it discusses sending the name-removal letter to Church headquarters: "In cases of excommunication the same records are sent to Church headquarters along with the following items when applicable: 1) The letter written by a person requesting that his name be removed from the records of the . murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of 1.5 years of waiting for answers/corrections from Stake President Mark Ivins only to be met with silence, threats, and ultimately an excommunication Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. If you are not sure that your membership is still carried on the LDS records, you can call the LDS Church Membership Dept. Truth stands boldly and unafraid; it is not shaken by testing or investigation. We were five docile women standing there in our Sunday dress. I have done nothing wrong. "[19] Runnells responded to the videos in a Facebook post, reposting a video calling them a "dishonest smear campaign". Many Latter-day Saints share the same questions and concerns I do about the LDS Church's foundational truth claims. It has become obvious from my meetings with church leaders that they are only interested in blind obedience at the expense of Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. council: Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication: Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on 4. Brigham Young was wrong about Blood Atonement. understand that some of what you have said and done has done just that.". you are taking these actions to extensively publicize your views. The term also provides us an apt visual for what went down on Sunday evening, when the witnesses for Natashas defense werent even allowed into the church building. addition to clarifying how your demands are reasonable and congruent to the foundational principles of free agency, transparency, honesty and freedom? Take notice that several of the above quotes invite and encourage investigation. than censorship and the obstruction of free flow of information. commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. The church released its very disturbing and problematic Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo essay As a direct result of FairMormon's personal attacks and dishonest claims, I found it necessary to create my current website to host my direct rebuttals and other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. 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